The longer this goes, the more calcified Justin's poison sets, the more our institutions and people will accept it. That's how totalitarianism wins. Through apathy and exhaustion. Canadians were already primed given our apathy prior to 2020.
Don't get me going on the courts. What a facade they are. They find ways and holes in the Charter to justify not defending individual rights. The Charter was not written forcefully enough. You know, language like SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
It's a wishy-washy document. To whit; Notwithstanding clause.
It fell into it already. Remember arbitrary detention of Canadians in concentration camps (sorry, "hotels") to "quarantine" at their their own expense in 2021? At the price tag determined by the gov't. Some were raped there, as far as I remember. By the "friendly staff".
Thank you Andreas. I know many people who cross the border without the Clot-Shot or the ArriveIntheCan Ap. They use their passport and are very well informed of their rights and never have problems. It can get annoying but they persist and eventually the lapdogs relent as they know they are powerless. Your work is amazing btw, I greatly appreciate you🙏
The app won't be going away, in my opinion, because it is part of the plan that I believe young trudeau has bought into regarding his part in the WEF take over . I think we , the Canadians , are the example of how this regime will look when a whole country buys in lock ,stock and barrel with only a few contrarians . I think our being an "agreeable bunch " or complacency has been our downfall .
A wake up call to those sliding down this slippery slope to communism! There are a lot of people refusing to do the arr can and testing and getting fined (which ,so far, have been thrown out of court) we need to join in and refuse to comply with their draconian rules!
I keep hearing the fines get thrown out, but I’m looking for proof. Do you know where to find that? My bf is wary to not comply with the app, as we could face upwards of $24,000 in fines travelling as a family of 6. He says “this is not the fight!” because too much is at stake. What if we don’t win in court what if they require the payment or put us in jail what if what if what if? He wants to only register via computer and refuse the app, do the entry test and not quarantine or anything afterwards. The border can be a scary place even when it’s not covid times so he thinks the fight shouldn’t be there.
Anyway, I feel defeated. Is this how totalitarianism will win? Do I count on others (without young children) to fight this part for me?!
If you look on facebook at 'Canadian Flight Alternatives' or 'I am Free Travel', there are a lot of people telling their stories about not using the arrcan and some get fines, but so far no one has had to pay them. My nephew got a fine for refusing the arrival testing last year and went to court last month where they dismissed the case. But I hear you, so far we have used the online arrcan in Aug Jan and Apr. We did all the tests etc in Aug but walked out of the airport test, no quart. In Jan we refused the tests and just did the daily check in, no quart. In April we did no tests and didn't answer calls or fill in anything, no quart. At no time did we have any problems or visits but Alberta and Sask seem a bit more laid back. I admire anyone who refuses the arr can but it would be very stressful to do it. Another way of not complying is by being creative when filling it out with addresses and numbers
Step 1 – Responding to a Ticket: If you have received a ticket you must confirm with the court your intentions immediately (typically within 15 days) or you will be deemed at fault and will receive a bill for the full amount of the offense. To submit the ticket for trial, read the directions on the back of the ticket, call the courthouse and/or look up the provincial courthouse online to find the instructions.
NOTE: DO NOT SEND BACK YOUR TICKET WITH RESCIND! THE COURTS WILL NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THIS AND YOU WILL BE REQUIRED TO PAY THE TICKET IN FULL
Step 2 – Request Your Disclosure:
Whether you choose to self-represent or work with a lawyer you should request your disclosure yourself. That way you will have full access to the evidence being put forward to the court. Be aware that if you are thinking of getting a lawyer and you hire the lawyer before requesting disclosure, you may never get full access to your disclosure.
NOTE REGARDING DISCLOSURE: If you are having challenges getting disclosure, please make note of the "O'Connor Application:
"You have a right to request further disclosure of specific things if you believe the police are in possession of additional relevant materials, or if further relevant materials could be available to the police through investigation.
If you don't receive the needed evidence, you can make an O’Connor application, you must serve a copy of the application on the Crown and the person who has those documents. You must also serve a subpoena on the person who has or is responsible for those documents"
If you have received a summons you must follow the directions to attend the first hearing at the date and time stated on the summons. If that date and time do not work, you will need to contact the Prosecutions office, in advance of the date of the first hearing, to discuss a different hearing date and time and then you will need to file a motion. Failing to respond to a summons may result in a warrant for your arrest.
*A motion is to ask the court for something. If the court grants the request, the answer becomes enforceable. Ie. A new hearing date.
Thank you for these details. I’ve definitely heard success stories, but it’s the possibility of imprisonment! Or debt! Also I’m waiting on my citizenship! (Only a PR at this point, American.)
I hate the feeling of compromising my principles out of fear, though. It’s really horrible.
Trust no one, beware false prophets? Maybe it's just this youngster author (Elie Cantin-Nantel) that is compromised, but as no one in "True North" objected and they published this rubbish, makes one think.
Yes it is. But I am much more interested in pursuing the mass cull and totalitarian tendencies at the moment. CERB is like a fly on the windshield in comparison?
Over this past few years I have enjoyed reading an alternative perspective about most things that are turning Canada and the world upside down . Wonder Andreas, if you contacted Elie directly would he be able to either clarify or perhaps be open to what you have written ? I think it's time for more communication with respect to differences of opinions because otherwise everything becomes a divisive situation . I think to say True North " works for the government it seems " may not actually be a truth ... in my opinion.
Great that you contacted them . I think that is the right attitude re : more than happy to correct anything that is open to discussion. I'll assume the debate is open to legal beagles and if they aren't all working for the current Organization .... Looking forward to your other findings .
I agree that I am being "definitely not nice" to them, with all due respect for their prior reporting. But this message of theirs on Jul. 19 as the mandatory, albeit random, tests returning and ArriveCan app staying is making so much harm to their own cause. Needs to be fixed ASAP, IMHO. I'll keep the readers posted if I hear back from True North. Even better, if they correct themselves publicly.
Will be interested in seeing if they get back to you - although these days, it seems , there are a lot of crickets . I suspect many of the crickets will be a food offering of sorts since the farmers may be targeted re so called climate change issues .
The longer this goes, the more calcified Justin's poison sets, the more our institutions and people will accept it. That's how totalitarianism wins. Through apathy and exhaustion. Canadians were already primed given our apathy prior to 2020.
Don't get me going on the courts. What a facade they are. They find ways and holes in the Charter to justify not defending individual rights. The Charter was not written forcefully enough. You know, language like SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
It's a wishy-washy document. To whit; Notwithstanding clause.
https://twitter.com/honeybadger1122/status/1549361437457321985?s=20&t=7rNgTqgmnyWtCwORUJX8pg
When the Charter requires the opinion of one of its authors to stand you know it’s an incredibly tepid & weak document.
Will have to do, nothing better at the moment. And no courts of JUSTICE either.
Canada is in a very precarious situation. It can EASILY fall into totalitarianism. Our institutions appear to be weak.
It fell into it already. Remember arbitrary detention of Canadians in concentration camps (sorry, "hotels") to "quarantine" at their their own expense in 2021? At the price tag determined by the gov't. Some were raped there, as far as I remember. By the "friendly staff".
This is important information for people to know, thank you. That's a great tick tock video! 😄
Haven't trusted True North for a long while now. Imo, It's a milquetoast conservative publication lacking any serious aim—it is reliably anodyne.
No wonder "Skeptical" is prominently featured in your alias!
Thank you Andreas. I know many people who cross the border without the Clot-Shot or the ArriveIntheCan Ap. They use their passport and are very well informed of their rights and never have problems. It can get annoying but they persist and eventually the lapdogs relent as they know they are powerless. Your work is amazing btw, I greatly appreciate you🙏
Any of the getting fines?
Nope. They are driving though, not flying
It seems like driving is easier, They really want to get the flying public, it seems. And the airport is teaming with police of all denominations.
Ridiculous
Oh and they’re Dutch farmers!
Heard about them! I am gonna join them, if I can do it in time! Or the Amish.
Me too! Saturday or Sunday in my town. There is something happening everywhere for sure!
The app won't be going away, in my opinion, because it is part of the plan that I believe young trudeau has bought into regarding his part in the WEF take over . I think we , the Canadians , are the example of how this regime will look when a whole country buys in lock ,stock and barrel with only a few contrarians . I think our being an "agreeable bunch " or complacency has been our downfall .
A wake up call to those sliding down this slippery slope to communism! There are a lot of people refusing to do the arr can and testing and getting fined (which ,so far, have been thrown out of court) we need to join in and refuse to comply with their draconian rules!
I keep hearing the fines get thrown out, but I’m looking for proof. Do you know where to find that? My bf is wary to not comply with the app, as we could face upwards of $24,000 in fines travelling as a family of 6. He says “this is not the fight!” because too much is at stake. What if we don’t win in court what if they require the payment or put us in jail what if what if what if? He wants to only register via computer and refuse the app, do the entry test and not quarantine or anything afterwards. The border can be a scary place even when it’s not covid times so he thinks the fight shouldn’t be there.
Anyway, I feel defeated. Is this how totalitarianism will win? Do I count on others (without young children) to fight this part for me?!
All great questions. Let's work on answers. It seems like a worthy next investigation. Anyone with any concrete info, please pitch in!
Great to put more feelers out here!
Investigating... ... ...
If you look on facebook at 'Canadian Flight Alternatives' or 'I am Free Travel', there are a lot of people telling their stories about not using the arrcan and some get fines, but so far no one has had to pay them. My nephew got a fine for refusing the arrival testing last year and went to court last month where they dismissed the case. But I hear you, so far we have used the online arrcan in Aug Jan and Apr. We did all the tests etc in Aug but walked out of the airport test, no quart. In Jan we refused the tests and just did the daily check in, no quart. In April we did no tests and didn't answer calls or fill in anything, no quart. At no time did we have any problems or visits but Alberta and Sask seem a bit more laid back. I admire anyone who refuses the arr can but it would be very stressful to do it. Another way of not complying is by being creative when filling it out with addresses and numbers
Tried to search Facebook - nothing comes up for 'Canadian Flight Alternatives' or 'I am Free Travel'? How do I search in Facebook? I am not a FB user.
Under groups but maybe you need an invite? I will check
You need an invite but you have to join fb in order for me to invite you , but so nice to be in groups that are fighting back!
Why do the courts dismiss the fines? An interesting question.
And did your nephew appealed the fines "by the book"? Apparently, its' a lot of work.
https://stand4thee.com/self-representation-101 (2 steps out of 6 described therein):
Step 1 – Responding to a Ticket: If you have received a ticket you must confirm with the court your intentions immediately (typically within 15 days) or you will be deemed at fault and will receive a bill for the full amount of the offense. To submit the ticket for trial, read the directions on the back of the ticket, call the courthouse and/or look up the provincial courthouse online to find the instructions.
NOTE: DO NOT SEND BACK YOUR TICKET WITH RESCIND! THE COURTS WILL NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THIS AND YOU WILL BE REQUIRED TO PAY THE TICKET IN FULL
Step 2 – Request Your Disclosure:
Whether you choose to self-represent or work with a lawyer you should request your disclosure yourself. That way you will have full access to the evidence being put forward to the court. Be aware that if you are thinking of getting a lawyer and you hire the lawyer before requesting disclosure, you may never get full access to your disclosure.
NOTE REGARDING DISCLOSURE: If you are having challenges getting disclosure, please make note of the "O'Connor Application:
"You have a right to request further disclosure of specific things if you believe the police are in possession of additional relevant materials, or if further relevant materials could be available to the police through investigation.
If you don't receive the needed evidence, you can make an O’Connor application, you must serve a copy of the application on the Crown and the person who has those documents. You must also serve a subpoena on the person who has or is responsible for those documents"
http://criminalnotebook.ca/index.php/Precedent_-_O%27Connor_Application
http://criminalnotebook.ca/index.php/Disclosure_of_Third_Party_Records
Or Step 2 – Responding to a Summons:
If you have received a summons you must follow the directions to attend the first hearing at the date and time stated on the summons. If that date and time do not work, you will need to contact the Prosecutions office, in advance of the date of the first hearing, to discuss a different hearing date and time and then you will need to file a motion. Failing to respond to a summons may result in a warrant for your arrest.
*A motion is to ask the court for something. If the court grants the request, the answer becomes enforceable. Ie. A new hearing date.
Yes! I’ve checked their site and it’s all very intimidating and feels uncertain.
Thank you for these details. I’ve definitely heard success stories, but it’s the possibility of imprisonment! Or debt! Also I’m waiting on my citizenship! (Only a PR at this point, American.)
I hate the feeling of compromising my principles out of fear, though. It’s really horrible.
Thats how communism succeeds -by paralyzing their citizens with fear, sadly. But you still have to be prudent and pick your fights.
And occasionally executing them.
In large groups.
Exactly 🙏
What next? Thanks for the heads up.
Trust no one, beware false prophets? Maybe it's just this youngster author (Elie Cantin-Nantel) that is compromised, but as no one in "True North" objected and they published this rubbish, makes one think.
So much confusing info out there, and most of us are not well versed in law or in how to really understand these documents. Very disheartening.
And no outside help either, that is the worst.
"Tru Deau"
In other Canadian news, they are asking for CERB paybacks. More people should know about this!
https://smokegetsinyoureyesmcm.blogspot.com/2022/07/its-only-money.html?m=1
Should we prioritize our interests?
What exactly do you mean btw?
I get that this is minor, if that is what you mean, but it sure is more bullshit! 🤣🤬
Yes it is. But I am much more interested in pursuing the mass cull and totalitarian tendencies at the moment. CERB is like a fly on the windshield in comparison?
Totally!
The whole world needs a massive car wash.
If only it were that easy…
So sad. Tragic.
Over this past few years I have enjoyed reading an alternative perspective about most things that are turning Canada and the world upside down . Wonder Andreas, if you contacted Elie directly would he be able to either clarify or perhaps be open to what you have written ? I think it's time for more communication with respect to differences of opinions because otherwise everything becomes a divisive situation . I think to say True North " works for the government it seems " may not actually be a truth ... in my opinion.
Yes I did, as I contacted True North itself via their contact form. Crickets. Maybe this will move them? I will be more than happy to correct myself.
Great that you contacted them . I think that is the right attitude re : more than happy to correct anything that is open to discussion. I'll assume the debate is open to legal beagles and if they aren't all working for the current Organization .... Looking forward to your other findings .
I agree that I am being "definitely not nice" to them, with all due respect for their prior reporting. But this message of theirs on Jul. 19 as the mandatory, albeit random, tests returning and ArriveCan app staying is making so much harm to their own cause. Needs to be fixed ASAP, IMHO. I'll keep the readers posted if I hear back from True North. Even better, if they correct themselves publicly.
I will contact them , as well.......not a good thing at this point for us in Canada.......
Great . We really need to be united more than ever is as many ways as possible .
You've missed the "it seems" part. It definitely seems so to me based on this article.
Will be interested in seeing if they get back to you - although these days, it seems , there are a lot of crickets . I suspect many of the crickets will be a food offering of sorts since the farmers may be targeted re so called climate change issues .