I crossed overland last Sunday, from US to Canada. I did not consent to provide any additional information, beyond my passport. I was held over 2 hours. Border security suggested bringing the police and also provided the option of escorting me to a Federal quarantine facility.
“My passport is the only document and information I need to provide to enter my country”. Repeat often.
I also stated several times that I was healthy and had no symptoms of illness.
Interestingly, no official asked me about my health.
When I spoke with a quarantine officer on the phone, I cited section 4 of the quarantine act, which states a certificate is granted by the minister to a screening agent, other than a border official, and must be provided to the individual being questioned. The quarantine officer flat out refused, and said I had to answer her questions first, and she did not need the quarantine act.
After much back and forth regarding the law - I brought my highlighted copy of the Act. It ended with me questioning whether sec 58 applied, since I had no communicable disease, I stated they should make the arrangements to take me to their facility.
I left 5 minutes later, 2 test kits in hand and a flyer indicating my 1 time exemption from quarantine and withholding use of arrivecan.
I present this story as an act of civil disobedience to those I know who are vaxxed. I make it about not wanting to use the internet etc to enter my country. Leave out the health piece and people are against this surveillance nonsense.
(4) The Minister shall give a certificate of designation to every screening officer who is not also a customs officer, to every quarantine officer and to every environmental health officer. An officer to whom a certificate has been given shall produce it, on request, to the person in charge of a place or conveyance that the officer inspects and to any person that the officer questions."
Hah! I told them that I did not fully understand section 58, but questioned it’s application in my situation. I have not yet checked the links (thank you!), but it appears that indeed it did not apply to me.
I am going to follow through on section 4, although not sure what options are open. Thought of starting with the Privacy Commissioner, since additional details to this story may support a misuse of information.
And, the Quarantine officer refused to comply with the Quarantine Act. This seems too good to not look into.
If you or anyone else has ideas for a direction to explore to take further action, please share.
Best to you Andreas, and thank you for your efforts.
You can do it! Just don't consent to give any contact info. That is all the Border officers wanted from me, so they could send it to Public Health and be done with it. Tuck your license inside your clothes. They asked for a second piece of ID at the booth, after I declined Arrivecan. I realized later that it was a trick to get my address from the get-go. I gave them my health card and indicated that my license was on my person. Have no contact info in your car. I had no computer, phone etc., although they didn't search. Be polite, confident and avoid debate. State facts and stay alert : ) . Two important phrases: I do not consent to give that information & My passport is the only document and information I need to provide to enter my country. It will likely be uncomfortable, but 2 hours vs. 14 days. Go in peace : )
My unvaxed friend said when asked where he would quarantine ‘at a remote cabin. My wife has stocked it with food for me.’ They said he would be called daily and he said ‘no cell service. And no land line.’ They asked for the address he said ‘it’s a remote cabin accessible only by a 4x4. I don’t even know how to describe how to get to it’. Then he went home. To a city.
Also, carry your own copies of relevant documents, such as The Quarantine Act. My Border officers were printing pages along the way. Let them know you know about the rules.
The landing page of the Canada Border Services Agency, itself, says, "Carry a valid Canadian passport for all visits abroad, including visits to the United States (U.S.). It is the only universally accepted identification document, and it proves that you have a right to return to Canada.
This is so incomprehensible to someone who was a kid in the '60s and witnessed the flight to Canada for the freedom not to engage in the Vietnam war. I always had this image of Canada as just about the most free country in the world.
Canada has now become both grotesque and conquered.
@Kim, Yup, my great-grandparents and grandparents fled direct persecution and certain death in their homeland. Escaped to Canada. Lived where they were told to live (rural hinterlands). Learned English. Built small businesses from scratch. Assimilated into a new nation and culture. Nothing free or subsidized (they didn't expect it to be!). Supported their own cultural institutions privately. Made their children into Canadians.
That was the story of most Canadians up until Harper was "stopped" by a bunch of hysterical, furious Boomers and Millennials crushing on Justin's eyelashes.
Everything there (listed above) is now upside-down in Trudeau/WEF's "postnation". You said it: CONQUERED.
[Sorry/not sorry to Boomers/Millennials here. If you fell for Trudeau, you can accept responsibility.]
So much of the whole program depends on voluntary compliance with unlawful orders, and the behavior policing of ordinary people against other ordinary people, without the direct involvement of uniformed government employees.
It’s an open question of what the next steps, by the governments, will be if a critical mass stops doing the voluntary compliance and ignores the lateral social pressure.
At least in the US, there are laws on the books to authorize involuntary, armed apprehension, detention and medical treatment of non-compliant people, domestically across state borders and within individual states, and at international borders.
I am in Queenstown NZ -- one restaurant owner refused to play ball with the vaccine passport system that was in place earlier in the year... she made feeble attempt to check people phones -- she told me a few people reported her to the police - they called her multiple times and asked 'are you checking'
She said yep I am checking to the best of my ability but nothing is perfect - we are short staff and if it's busy it's hard. If you want this to be fool proof you put a cop at the entrance and you check. That was the end of it.
They obviously know this is all on shaky ground and the big fines can be successfully challenged in court.
I understand that one cafe was fined - and won their challenge
They are counting on fear to drive compliance.
Meanwhile ...
Canada is Forcing Unvaccinated 12-Year-Olds into 14 Day Quarantine
Variation in level of totalitarian measures in Five Eyes countries is largely due to different levels of acceptance of totalitarianism by population of those countries. It turns out the US population is more problematic than those of Canada, Australia, New Zealand,...
⬆️ this is what makes me borderline mentally ill when I deal with American normies who are like, "See? People at a baseball game without masks! Nothing to see here!"
They are waging a war against us and too few of us are aware of this. Many are aware something is fundamentally wrong but about 1/3 of us are utterly controlled through custom made propaganda. How can the rest of us successfully defend ourselves if we are unable to see the threat as it is, and are unable to mount an unified defense? That is why Criminals exhibit no fear in their eyes, regardless what they do to us. They know they can easily manage us. There is nothing I’d like more than prove them wrong, but my fear is their analysis is fundamentally correct.
Guess “Give Me Liberty of Hive Me Death” has no meaning anymore. Don’t see why it would be that much different in the USA. How people think they’re going to react is always different than the reality. We’ll see but I wonder if the US even has adequate law enforcement to oversee this. Still have a very long hot summer to get through and this has been going on already for a long time. Was surprising that almost no one stirred up a fuss after 9/11 - like cattle in submitting to the scanning and searches at airports worldwide. That was the precursor.
Yes, the guns are an important factor but perhaps more urgently important is the Constitution and the legacy of our founding ancestors. First to react appropriately people must see the evil for what it is. If they didn’t see it after 9/11 how are they to see it now. The WEF has been around since the 1970’s.
9/11 affected a few indirectly (other than those killed). Covid jabbing affects everybody&everyone directly? How about the Federal Reserve of 1913? The WEF is just the latest stop on the long winding road.
Assuredly with the totalitarian control measures elevated magnanimously with Covid following all the insults we then people have absorbed already the ax has fallen fast. I like to believe people will stand but the hour is getting very late. If freedom means having nothing left to lose maybe this will be the final arm twist?
I can't believe this is happening in Canada. NO country in the West is behaving so criminally and idiotically.
The ArriveCan app has nothing to do with public health and everything to do with control and ulterior motives they're not being honest about.
My question is this. It seems you're saying all this is smoke and mirrors. Though they can 'enforce' some measures, they really can't do much more.
But. If you refuse the Arrive Can app or don't quarantine you and they issue fines, what happens to the fines if you contest them? Any chance they get thrown out given the government is acting illegally?
Speaking of legal, what does it matter anymore? The provinces and Ottawa have operated outside the law for two years and no one did anything to stop it. Not the citizens. Not the politicians. And not the courts. In fact, the courts can't be counted on to stop this and do their damn jobs and enforce the Charter. In fact, they're finding ways to justify the government's actions.
Where in the USA the wheels of justice are slowly beginning to side with the people, here we're seeing the opposite.
I have no idea how we can stop this. The app was supposed to be 'temporary' (yeh right) and now we know the Liberals are trying to make this permanent and will be able to do it because of the NDP and Bloc Quebecois who are every bit complicit in this massive crime that has no basis in science or logic and does nothing for public health. All politics.
Not to this extent. Yes Australia and NZL did last year. The USA is just upon entry you need to be vaccinated and from what I'm being told they're hardly acting like we are. You can travel in the EU regardless of vaccine status for the most part.
So right now, Canada is an outlier. I know of no governments between borders doing what we're doing. I could be wrong.
Stand4Thee has resources on how to fight the fines. From what I hear, they won’t/don’t hold up in court. I’d love more confirmation on this before I test it myself, though!
Reminds me of the banality of evil. From my view in the US, Trudeau came in seemingly a modern liberal (in the best sense) leader, and he turns out to be a cruel fascist dictator.
My sister in law who is in Ontario Canada recently asked if they could expect a visit from me in the near future.
I tend to unhinge on people who try to force me to do shit that's unconstitutional.. and I will under no circumstances get vaxxed or agree to quarantine.
Great research, thanks Andreas. I lived in Canada in the 80s but won’t go back now, in part to avoid hassles by the US immigration authorities.
I heard from a Kiwi that they have largely prevented them from returning to NZ. A lot of them have lost their pensions, being gone for 20 years even though they planned to return in time.
The trucker protest only affected those participating. Resist! Now this border nonsense affects a few more people. Resist! Come on Canada. We need to be prepared to lose what we have, and it's not easy. The truckers had their bank accounts frozen and their truck insurance threatened. This is the type of history where the heroes turned out to be those who were willing to lose what they had to compact tyranny and hold true to their principles and freedom.
It's a good bet most because Canada is a stickler for rules.
So far, and this is anecdotal, at least 20 people I know have come back from the USA through land borders and all were hassled and faced bullying to some degrees since someone in their party was unvaccinated.
I don't mind blanket claims in these instances because we need civil disobedience.
How to bring back common sense though? And with a lawless PM, the longer this goes, the more it calcifies and gets 'accepted' as normal behaviour. That's my concern.
I’ve twice crossed the border recently. Once by car, once by air. Neither time did I have an ArriveCan. The border agent on my drive through KNEW i didn’t have it on my phone! It must ‘Ping’ somehow to them. He said after talking for a few minutes about other stuff ‘you’re supposed to have an ArriveCan.’ I said ‘really! I thought that was canceled?’ He said ‘next time load it on your phone please.’ I said ‘okay’. The next time I flew and I had it half loaded on my phone. I had filled it out but I hadn’t submitted it. I walked through with no problem.
The funny part was flying home I was sick as a dog. Just a cold, but I had had a two week very intense and stressful court case (which I won) but I had picked something up. I flew home and had this huge hacking cough building up in me when I saw the bOrder guard. ‘Do you have any unusual cold or cough symptoms?’ ‘Nope’. I was doing everything I could to not cough. After passing through I went into the washroom into a cubicle and hacked my guts out. If I had said yes I would have been hospitalized for a cold. I went home and crashed for a couple of days and was fine.
i live in north idaho and have family an hour away in eastern BC. I wonder if eastern BC border officials' attitudes are more like north idaho attitudes, less like their counterparts in big cities. the closest border crossing is quaint too - 1 lane in each direction and it isn't a 24-hr crossing.
Hoping they’re friendly there. Planning non compliance on a visit to and from US soon! Idaho bound then back to BC. Likely much friendlier than Peace Arch, for example.
Funny - I cleared US customs when flying out of Toronto en route to Haiti after the quake -- the US side was markedly much less friendly than their Canadian counterparts ... I always found the Toronto people very chilled.
Vancouver is a different story --- I've been flying through there for many years and they are always very difficult .. I once had a blow pipe with me that I'd purchased in Borneo --- basically a long stick with a hole through it --- and they were all over that suggesting it was a dangerous weapon! The only reason I was allowed to keep it was that I didn't have any poison darts.
Total f789ing MOREONS. Pathetic losers who are drunk on their tiny bit of power. Imagine the trip TruDUNCE must be on
As an American living 60 miles from the Canadian border I see the Berlin Wall. The US is just as bad with its common cold shot mandates for non-citizens. The people will rise up on both sides of this wall. It happened in Berlin and it will happen here.
You need to be vaccinated to enter NZ. Kiwis exempt. You have to fill out online declaration before travelling with lots of personal details. You are given 2 RAT test kits on arrival and test on day one and day 6.Results must be uploaded . You must isolate if you test positive. Not sure of penalties if you don't report.
The daughter of a friend recently travelled to Europe from Vancouver. The lady is uninjected, so, technically, she couldn’t fly from Canada. But she happens to be also an American citizen. So, she crosses the border hassle-free, hops on a plane at Sea-Tac, spends two weeks touring. She came back directly to Canada. She reports no major issues here (well, she followed the unlawful “laws”...) and is doing her house arrest time...
I am one of those who have not travelled the last 2 years and have not seen family. But technology helps a bit.
I crossed overland last Sunday, from US to Canada. I did not consent to provide any additional information, beyond my passport. I was held over 2 hours. Border security suggested bringing the police and also provided the option of escorting me to a Federal quarantine facility.
“My passport is the only document and information I need to provide to enter my country”. Repeat often.
I also stated several times that I was healthy and had no symptoms of illness.
Interestingly, no official asked me about my health.
When I spoke with a quarantine officer on the phone, I cited section 4 of the quarantine act, which states a certificate is granted by the minister to a screening agent, other than a border official, and must be provided to the individual being questioned. The quarantine officer flat out refused, and said I had to answer her questions first, and she did not need the quarantine act.
After much back and forth regarding the law - I brought my highlighted copy of the Act. It ended with me questioning whether sec 58 applied, since I had no communicable disease, I stated they should make the arrangements to take me to their facility.
I left 5 minutes later, 2 test kits in hand and a flyer indicating my 1 time exemption from quarantine and withholding use of arrivecan.
I present this story as an act of civil disobedience to those I know who are vaxxed. I make it about not wanting to use the internet etc to enter my country. Leave out the health piece and people are against this surveillance nonsense.
Peace to you all!
section 58 only applies to non-Canadians as you enter by right which the Quarantine Act does not suspend. Read about "by right" in https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/trnsprnc/brfng-mtrls/prlmntry-bndrs/20210708/004/index-en.aspx and also listen to the video https://mbasic.facebook.com/watch/?v=397387752364843
Love Section 4!
"Certificate to be produced:
(4) The Minister shall give a certificate of designation to every screening officer who is not also a customs officer, to every quarantine officer and to every environmental health officer. An officer to whom a certificate has been given shall produce it, on request, to the person in charge of a place or conveyance that the officer inspects and to any person that the officer questions."
Hah! I told them that I did not fully understand section 58, but questioned it’s application in my situation. I have not yet checked the links (thank you!), but it appears that indeed it did not apply to me.
I am going to follow through on section 4, although not sure what options are open. Thought of starting with the Privacy Commissioner, since additional details to this story may support a misuse of information.
And, the Quarantine officer refused to comply with the Quarantine Act. This seems too good to not look into.
If you or anyone else has ideas for a direction to explore to take further action, please share.
Best to you Andreas, and thank you for your efforts.
People in uniforms tend to be assholes - when given the opportunity.
This is amazing. Thank you for sharing. We were hoping to travel to the US this fall so I'll be rereading your words for inspiration!
You can do it! Just don't consent to give any contact info. That is all the Border officers wanted from me, so they could send it to Public Health and be done with it. Tuck your license inside your clothes. They asked for a second piece of ID at the booth, after I declined Arrivecan. I realized later that it was a trick to get my address from the get-go. I gave them my health card and indicated that my license was on my person. Have no contact info in your car. I had no computer, phone etc., although they didn't search. Be polite, confident and avoid debate. State facts and stay alert : ) . Two important phrases: I do not consent to give that information & My passport is the only document and information I need to provide to enter my country. It will likely be uncomfortable, but 2 hours vs. 14 days. Go in peace : )
My unvaxed friend said when asked where he would quarantine ‘at a remote cabin. My wife has stocked it with food for me.’ They said he would be called daily and he said ‘no cell service. And no land line.’ They asked for the address he said ‘it’s a remote cabin accessible only by a 4x4. I don’t even know how to describe how to get to it’. Then he went home. To a city.
Also, carry your own copies of relevant documents, such as The Quarantine Act. My Border officers were printing pages along the way. Let them know you know about the rules.
The landing page of the Canada Border Services Agency, itself, says, "Carry a valid Canadian passport for all visits abroad, including visits to the United States (U.S.). It is the only universally accepted identification document, and it proves that you have a right to return to Canada.
cbsa-asfc.gc.ca
Good to know!
This is so incomprehensible to someone who was a kid in the '60s and witnessed the flight to Canada for the freedom not to engage in the Vietnam war. I always had this image of Canada as just about the most free country in the world.
Canada has now become both grotesque and conquered.
@Kim, Yup, my great-grandparents and grandparents fled direct persecution and certain death in their homeland. Escaped to Canada. Lived where they were told to live (rural hinterlands). Learned English. Built small businesses from scratch. Assimilated into a new nation and culture. Nothing free or subsidized (they didn't expect it to be!). Supported their own cultural institutions privately. Made their children into Canadians.
That was the story of most Canadians up until Harper was "stopped" by a bunch of hysterical, furious Boomers and Millennials crushing on Justin's eyelashes.
Everything there (listed above) is now upside-down in Trudeau/WEF's "postnation". You said it: CONQUERED.
[Sorry/not sorry to Boomers/Millennials here. If you fell for Trudeau, you can accept responsibility.]
So much of the whole program depends on voluntary compliance with unlawful orders, and the behavior policing of ordinary people against other ordinary people, without the direct involvement of uniformed government employees.
It’s an open question of what the next steps, by the governments, will be if a critical mass stops doing the voluntary compliance and ignores the lateral social pressure.
At least in the US, there are laws on the books to authorize involuntary, armed apprehension, detention and medical treatment of non-compliant people, domestically across state borders and within individual states, and at international borders.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/42/70.5 (international travelers)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/42/70.6 (domestic)
Both under 42 U.S.C. 264, 265
But they haven’t used those provisions yet, because they haven’t had to.
Although they have already prepared some drafts of the HHS orders that would trigger such apprehensions and detentions. One from Feb. 13, 2020:
https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/pdf/Public-Health-Order_Generic_FINAL_02-13-2020-p.pdf
A toll order. So far, most (90+% of) Canadians are willfully compliant.
We Aussies are better, at least 95%....
https://twitter.com/NSWHealth/status/1548804765760376832
I'd love to, but can't give a like here, Barry. :-(
I am in Queenstown NZ -- one restaurant owner refused to play ball with the vaccine passport system that was in place earlier in the year... she made feeble attempt to check people phones -- she told me a few people reported her to the police - they called her multiple times and asked 'are you checking'
She said yep I am checking to the best of my ability but nothing is perfect - we are short staff and if it's busy it's hard. If you want this to be fool proof you put a cop at the entrance and you check. That was the end of it.
They obviously know this is all on shaky ground and the big fines can be successfully challenged in court.
I understand that one cafe was fined - and won their challenge
They are counting on fear to drive compliance.
Meanwhile ...
Canada is Forcing Unvaccinated 12-Year-Olds into 14 Day Quarantine
https://rumble.com/v1clkrv-canada-is-forcing-unvaccinated-12-year-olds-into-14-day-quarantine.html
Judges are less corrupt in NZ.
Variation in level of totalitarian measures in Five Eyes countries is largely due to different levels of acceptance of totalitarianism by population of those countries. It turns out the US population is more problematic than those of Canada, Australia, New Zealand,...
⬆️ this is what makes me borderline mentally ill when I deal with American normies who are like, "See? People at a baseball game without masks! Nothing to see here!"
It's either incredibly naive or willfully obtuse.
They are waging a war against us and too few of us are aware of this. Many are aware something is fundamentally wrong but about 1/3 of us are utterly controlled through custom made propaganda. How can the rest of us successfully defend ourselves if we are unable to see the threat as it is, and are unable to mount an unified defense? That is why Criminals exhibit no fear in their eyes, regardless what they do to us. They know they can easily manage us. There is nothing I’d like more than prove them wrong, but my fear is their analysis is fundamentally correct.
100% concur, and it gives me no pleasure to say it.
It is just too much for many to deal with. So they don't.
Thanks for spreading the message, Hana! Every time you quote me, I get a bunch of new subscribers!
Actually thank you for pumping out the real stuff, esp. what is going on from the Kanadian perspective, Andreas. 🤛
I doo vot I ken!
Guess “Give Me Liberty of Hive Me Death” has no meaning anymore. Don’t see why it would be that much different in the USA. How people think they’re going to react is always different than the reality. We’ll see but I wonder if the US even has adequate law enforcement to oversee this. Still have a very long hot summer to get through and this has been going on already for a long time. Was surprising that almost no one stirred up a fuss after 9/11 - like cattle in submitting to the scanning and searches at airports worldwide. That was the precursor.
They have many more guns...
Yes the authorities tend to be less authoritarian when they might get a face full of lead if they piss off the wrong people
Yes, the guns are an important factor but perhaps more urgently important is the Constitution and the legacy of our founding ancestors. First to react appropriately people must see the evil for what it is. If they didn’t see it after 9/11 how are they to see it now. The WEF has been around since the 1970’s.
9/11 affected a few indirectly (other than those killed). Covid jabbing affects everybody&everyone directly? How about the Federal Reserve of 1913? The WEF is just the latest stop on the long winding road.
Assuredly with the totalitarian control measures elevated magnanimously with Covid following all the insults we then people have absorbed already the ax has fallen fast. I like to believe people will stand but the hour is getting very late. If freedom means having nothing left to lose maybe this will be the final arm twist?
Certainly for me and Bobby McGee...
Yes, well there always that.
I can't believe this is happening in Canada. NO country in the West is behaving so criminally and idiotically.
The ArriveCan app has nothing to do with public health and everything to do with control and ulterior motives they're not being honest about.
My question is this. It seems you're saying all this is smoke and mirrors. Though they can 'enforce' some measures, they really can't do much more.
But. If you refuse the Arrive Can app or don't quarantine you and they issue fines, what happens to the fines if you contest them? Any chance they get thrown out given the government is acting illegally?
Speaking of legal, what does it matter anymore? The provinces and Ottawa have operated outside the law for two years and no one did anything to stop it. Not the citizens. Not the politicians. And not the courts. In fact, the courts can't be counted on to stop this and do their damn jobs and enforce the Charter. In fact, they're finding ways to justify the government's actions.
Where in the USA the wheels of justice are slowly beginning to side with the people, here we're seeing the opposite.
I have no idea how we can stop this. The app was supposed to be 'temporary' (yeh right) and now we know the Liberals are trying to make this permanent and will be able to do it because of the NDP and Bloc Quebecois who are every bit complicit in this massive crime that has no basis in science or logic and does nothing for public health. All politics.
1st and foremost, by stopping being sheep led to slaughter. Everything else would follow. Know your rights and stand up for them.
Just picked up this off Twitter: https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1549434722853523458/pu/vid/576x1024/tszh_taQlnRHWt2T.mp4?tag=12
"NO country in the West is behaving so criminally and idiotically"? France, Germany, Austria, Australia, NZ? To name a few. USA?
Some unvaxxed friends went to Cook Islands last month - both had had covid so they were exempt from the rules barring entry to the islands.
NZ has no quarantine requirements - and I picked them up from the airport in QT - they were not held up and did not complain about being hassled.
So they have papers to prove they had it?
They had to provide a doctor's letter (even though they self-tested for Covid) which was not a problem.
Good doc!
Where is QT?
New Zealand
So they were hassled?
no - seamless.
Not to this extent. Yes Australia and NZL did last year. The USA is just upon entry you need to be vaccinated and from what I'm being told they're hardly acting like we are. You can travel in the EU regardless of vaccine status for the most part.
So right now, Canada is an outlier. I know of no governments between borders doing what we're doing. I could be wrong.
Just wait for till fall. Time for a push-back? They do that because we agree to being treated unlawfully.
I don't know anymore. Are Canadians capable of a pushback? Or will they just consent to 'get along'?
We won't know till we try?
Stand4Thee has resources on how to fight the fines. From what I hear, they won’t/don’t hold up in court. I’d love more confirmation on this before I test it myself, though!
https://stand4thee.com/self-representation-101
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ga5CEMFJPjFlipHeJ5RoDEGnyMd0eE2F/edit
Reminds me of the banality of evil. From my view in the US, Trudeau came in seemingly a modern liberal (in the best sense) leader, and he turns out to be a cruel fascist dictator.
My sister in law who is in Ontario Canada recently asked if they could expect a visit from me in the near future.
I tend to unhinge on people who try to force me to do shit that's unconstitutional.. and I will under no circumstances get vaxxed or agree to quarantine.
So. No. I won't be headed for Canada.
They wouldn't let you in as unjabbed. No quarantine option for you, Eddy!
Thanks for this important post!
I reposted on GETTR....thank you...... https://gettr.com/post/p1istkwaec1
Great research, thanks Andreas. I lived in Canada in the 80s but won’t go back now, in part to avoid hassles by the US immigration authorities.
I heard from a Kiwi that they have largely prevented them from returning to NZ. A lot of them have lost their pensions, being gone for 20 years even though they planned to return in time.
The trucker protest only affected those participating. Resist! Now this border nonsense affects a few more people. Resist! Come on Canada. We need to be prepared to lose what we have, and it's not easy. The truckers had their bank accounts frozen and their truck insurance threatened. This is the type of history where the heroes turned out to be those who were willing to lose what they had to compact tyranny and hold true to their principles and freedom.
At the mercy of impertinent and unprofessional border staff, that was my experience of Canada crossing a decade ago. Can be quite demoralizing
https://friendlymisanthropist.blogspot.com/2022/07/canada-border-agents-are-asses.html
Maybe not all of them?
It's a good bet most because Canada is a stickler for rules.
So far, and this is anecdotal, at least 20 people I know have come back from the USA through land borders and all were hassled and faced bullying to some degrees since someone in their party was unvaccinated.
I don't mind blanket claims in these instances because we need civil disobedience.
Even not that - simple common sense and lawful behaviour will suffice.
How to bring back common sense though? And with a lawless PM, the longer this goes, the more it calcifies and gets 'accepted' as normal behaviour. That's my concern.
I’ve twice crossed the border recently. Once by car, once by air. Neither time did I have an ArriveCan. The border agent on my drive through KNEW i didn’t have it on my phone! It must ‘Ping’ somehow to them. He said after talking for a few minutes about other stuff ‘you’re supposed to have an ArriveCan.’ I said ‘really! I thought that was canceled?’ He said ‘next time load it on your phone please.’ I said ‘okay’. The next time I flew and I had it half loaded on my phone. I had filled it out but I hadn’t submitted it. I walked through with no problem.
I’m guessing having it half on my phone ‘pinged’ them I had it. As soon as I got through customs I deleted it.
Mystic!
The funny part was flying home I was sick as a dog. Just a cold, but I had had a two week very intense and stressful court case (which I won) but I had picked something up. I flew home and had this huge hacking cough building up in me when I saw the bOrder guard. ‘Do you have any unusual cold or cough symptoms?’ ‘Nope’. I was doing everything I could to not cough. After passing through I went into the washroom into a cubicle and hacked my guts out. If I had said yes I would have been hospitalized for a cold. I went home and crashed for a couple of days and was fine.
No. Not all of them but I've been driving through the border since the 80s. They could work on their manners. Personal view of course.
i live in north idaho and have family an hour away in eastern BC. I wonder if eastern BC border officials' attitudes are more like north idaho attitudes, less like their counterparts in big cities. the closest border crossing is quaint too - 1 lane in each direction and it isn't a 24-hr crossing.
Hoping they’re friendly there. Planning non compliance on a visit to and from US soon! Idaho bound then back to BC. Likely much friendlier than Peace Arch, for example.
i hear beach boys are sold out, but surely you want to catch lindsey stirling in concert before you head north:
https://www.festivalatsandpoint.com/lindsey-stirling
Wow, powerful ending to that blog.
Funny - I cleared US customs when flying out of Toronto en route to Haiti after the quake -- the US side was markedly much less friendly than their Canadian counterparts ... I always found the Toronto people very chilled.
Vancouver is a different story --- I've been flying through there for many years and they are always very difficult .. I once had a blow pipe with me that I'd purchased in Borneo --- basically a long stick with a hole through it --- and they were all over that suggesting it was a dangerous weapon! The only reason I was allowed to keep it was that I didn't have any poison darts.
Total f789ing MOREONS. Pathetic losers who are drunk on their tiny bit of power. Imagine the trip TruDUNCE must be on
As an American living 60 miles from the Canadian border I see the Berlin Wall. The US is just as bad with its common cold shot mandates for non-citizens. The people will rise up on both sides of this wall. It happened in Berlin and it will happen here.
You need to be vaccinated to enter NZ. Kiwis exempt. You have to fill out online declaration before travelling with lots of personal details. You are given 2 RAT test kits on arrival and test on day one and day 6.Results must be uploaded . You must isolate if you test positive. Not sure of penalties if you don't report.
Extortion.
The daughter of a friend recently travelled to Europe from Vancouver. The lady is uninjected, so, technically, she couldn’t fly from Canada. But she happens to be also an American citizen. So, she crosses the border hassle-free, hops on a plane at Sea-Tac, spends two weeks touring. She came back directly to Canada. She reports no major issues here (well, she followed the unlawful “laws”...) and is doing her house arrest time...
I am one of those who have not travelled the last 2 years and have not seen family. But technology helps a bit.