I'm honestly confused again. Your posts tend to be complex and require a lot of careful reading, maybe with more foreknowledge and training than I have. I wish you would just sum it up, in simple terms and use the complex information for support of your claim. I see there is a summation at the end, but it still doesn't help me to understand the situation. I don't know anything about the effect of S proteins introduced into the body. Can you try to reach laymen in some way that is more comprehensible. Like a section in the post: "Information the average person can actually use":
The question I am answering for myself: "Why does the Covid disease often result in an organizing pneumonia, but the “vaccination” with the “safe and effective” SARS-CoV-2 mRNA “vaccine”, introducing much larger quantities of the S spike into the vaccinee bodies, does not?" Because if the S spike is the main culprit in the Covid disease, and many post-jab symptoms are similar to "long Covid", why not the OP? In the process I have discovered some interesting clinical facts, at least for myself. Like why the lungs get affected on the week2+ of the disease. Also, I have organized some references so that I can have them handy if need be.
The answer is in the three bullets closer to the end.
My friend’s husband passed away very recently. He had no known sickness other than severe bronchitis. Which lasted for many weeks. He was of course double jabbed. (I don’t know if he had a booster). I have not heard of anyone dying from bronchitis ( I am a layperson). Your explanation makes sense to me. Thank you.
Being double-jabbed more than 6 months ago confers no advantage, they know that very well, hence boosting to keep the appearances. And yet, still suppress safe treatments, coming up instead with the likes of remdesivir and paxlovid. At this stage, it’s a criminal cartel, not the health care. Unless you have a broken leg - run as fast and far away as you can.
I'll have to study it, but my understanding is that COVID, at least the original bio-engineered version, is not a respiratory disease, but a disease of the blood and vascular system. As it progresses the vascular system within the lungs breaks down and the victim can no longer breath. Death results and is catalogued as respiratory failure. Early treatment is paramount in my mind. Progression has to be stopped as qucikly as is possible. Mengele Fauci and the establishment are off the rails. A visit with an average corporate mind controlled doctor is horrifying. These people can't think outside the box in anyway whatsoever. Unfortunately the box is filled with corporate media propaganda which is by in large is not only useless but dangerous.
As for these proteins, the vaccine is not an attenuated replica of a complete virus. It's some sort of microscopic factory inside the body that produces toilet seats, but not the toilets the seats are supposed to fit. There is a problem of runaway production, and suddenly there are far more seats than toilets. Worse yet the seats don't match the toilets presently being manufactured in foreign lands.
Then all jabbed with a _viable_ mRNA "vaccine" should be dead, I guess, as they have an order of magnitude more S spikes generated in them, and for much longer that naturally infected: https://live2fightanotherday.substack.com/p/sars-cov-2-s-spike-to-centre-stage "We see that the low end of our estimate of the number of S spikes produced after an mRNA jab is 10-30 times higher than the high end estimate of the number of S spikes produced during a natural infection."
I have noticed viruses get blamed for everything. In the case of many rashes, chemical poisoning is the culprit but they tend to declare “measles-like” or “insert-whatever-like” infection which automatically makes people assume the causative agent is a virus. For COVID, they hit the press early and often with the natural vs. lab debate, but was that argument meant to keep us hyper-focused on an elusive virus? Of course poisons will trigger a response from your body and, although I am no expert on this topic, I would *assume* protein production would be a part of that process. I’m not saying the causative agent is chemical (although maybe) but I do question the validity of the entire world (including secluded people in Antarctica multiple times) getting COVID simply from host-to-host transmission. Remember back in 2020 on those cruise ships there were hundreds of sick people but many passengers who were completely well quarantined with a sick roommate. How can it be the most contagious pathogen of all-time yet simultaneously bypass many people coming into contact with those who have been infected? I call BS on special immune systems, certain blood types or prior SARS exposure. Am I missing something?
I have long thought there is something else going on—some other factor at play—and THAT factor might be what is causing lung issues while injected spike/LNPs do not cause ARDS like COVID. I’m wondering if we need new hypotheses altogether. Does that make sense?
It's warm, keep circling! Dr. Yeadon also said he has to review his understanding of corona viruses in light of the info that isolating them and injecting into healthy people didn't infect any, so the trigger of the disease must be something else. And that includes flu, not only SARS variants. The Antarctica story is an interesting one too: how does one rationally explain it? Something they received and opened there? Like a jar of jam? How long can a virus survive on surfaces again, and at what temps?
I think you're right about not trusting the reporting about the cruise ships. DARPA's Michael Callahan got a jump on the "outbreak" and was in China before most of the world even knew that something was going on. Apparently the first two isolates of SARS-CoV-2 came from the Chinese CDC/WIV and from a DARPA asset in Thailand. The Chinese later admitted they never isolated the virus on NBC. Who has isolated the virus since?
Then, Callahan allegedly went and separated sick and healthy passengers from the Grand Princess cruise ship. Sounds like narrative management to me!
I think it’s an interplay of all three. There is still plenty of inflammation after a jab (e.g. myocarditis), but not a cytokine storm in the lungs, at least not to the same extent.
After wading through all that, I have just one question: That is, please explain why the all cause death rates for each country that has or used to share them gone up for the vaccinated?
That is you can trust the ilk of slopes to tell the truth!
It’s nice to have some studies to look at . There does seem to ge the phenomena of less severe outcomes of the jabbed, and the idea of innate immune suppression has been one hypothesis.
The first thing it tells me , is that the critics agree that the recently jabbed have less severe outcomes . So this is not so much in dispute , despite the manner in which data has been manipulated . It’s hard to get the facts in the now , so this is good to know .
The why has been the question.
Also considering the treatment has been largely suppressed or denied. So for the most part this apparent severity of natural unjabbed infection is the data sccumulation of non treated covid infection.
Still, because the phenomenon seems to occur in the first few weeks from the injection , the suppression of immunity ( known to occur in this period) seems to be a natural reason for it.
Happy your digging deeper into the other questions
I hope that I read one day soon that Snopes wife the hooker threw him down the stairs fracturing his skull and breaking his back (but not killing him) in an attempt to collect on life insurance... so that she can run off with her new pimp and blow the lot on a massive smack bender.
Re-reading this post I'm mightily impressed on how much ground you cover, because there's a lot of background to understand before you even get to the theory. From the early days of COVID treatment protocols, to the vaccines, to the vaccine conspiracies, to the "debunking" of the vaccine conspiracies, then imparting your insight on how the vaccine might actually be working in the very specific case of helping fight COVID pneumonia, and finally leaving the conclusion on the tradeoff between immune system imbalance for protection against COVID pneumonia to the reader themselves.
Question/clarification on your final paragraph: isn't immune suppression itself one of the other consequences of the vaccines? Particularly with their broad side effect profile? Although it might help the body fight organizing pneumonia, if it's taken to an extreme wouldn't it possibly be responsible for some of the broad, seemingly immune disorder related side effects of the vaccines? How does it compare w/immune suppression done with say HCQ? What metrics can we look for to know when immune suppression is helping or hurting?
Hcq isn’t an immune suppressor actually, although they call it that as it helps with RA- what a way with words!
And yes, I totally concur that the immune suppression resulting from the mRNA jab is far worse than the doubtful benefits it provides as we now know, and knew at the time the jabs were pushed, that there are safe and effective treatments at all stages of Covid, and prophylaxis too But they have been suppressed so there would be no alternative to jabbing, in lemming minds.
Just in! Justin Bieber suffers facial paralysis (Ramsay Hunt Syndrome) due to the resurgence of shingles in his ear, yeah right! https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/the-cause-of-justin-biebers-facial. How old is he again, 28? Fully jabbed, of course, in order to travel. Good traveling with half face paralysed - a small price to pay, eh, Bieb?
And his 26 year old wife suddenly got a small hole in her heart that led to a "minor stroke".
How much worse would it have been had they not been fully jabbed?
Btw, look at Portugal now - OMG! They have totally took jabbing to heart with no reservations - keep jabbing in ever tighter cycles, getting more death per jab at every new iteration. The way it’s going everyone getting the next shot will die, it seems. And that will be in the fall.
What term would you use to classify HCQ's method of effect w/respect to immune conditions? The studies I'm viewing seem to describe it as changing the signaling of elements our immune system responds to. Is suppression vs. enhancement just too general of a way to think about these things?
It's amusing that Snopes take Tenpenny to task on the T cells, but there is obviously a lot of verbal slop and simplification when it comes to explaining medical topics in a news setting. Just in the last year the multi-use Ivermectin became "horse dewormer" and experimental gene therapy became "vaccination".
" Importantly, although these agents were initially tested in oncological scenarios owing to their ability to inhibit autophagy, it is now clear that their therapeutic effects involve other mechanisms. [39-41]"
39. Boya P, Gonzalez-Polo RA, Poncet D, Andreau K, Vieira HL, Roumier T, Perfettini JL, Kroemer G. . Mitochondrial membrane permeabilization is a critical step of lysosome-initiated apoptosis induced by hydroxychloroquine. Oncogene 2003; 22:3927 - 36; http://dx.doi.org/ 10.1038/sj.onc.1206622; PMID: 12813466 [PubMed] [CrossRef] [Google Scholar]
40. Maycotte P, Aryal S, Cummings CT, Thorburn J, Morgan MJ, Thorburn A. . Chloroquine sensitizes breast cancer cells to chemotherapy independent of autophagy. Autophagy 2012; 8:200 - 12; http://dx.doi.org/ 10.4161/auto.8.2.18554; PMID: 22252008 [PMC free article] [PubMed] [CrossRef] [Google Scholar]
41. Rubinsztein DC, Codogno P, Levine B. . Autophagy modulation as a potential therapeutic target for diverse diseases. Nat Rev Drug Discov 2012; 11:709 - 30; http://dx.doi.org/ 10.1038/nrd3802; PMID: 22935804 [PMC free article] [PubMed] [CrossRef] [Google Scholar]
Esp. [40] says: " Moreover, CQ could still sensitize to treatment even when autophagy was blocked upstream of autophagosome formation. We therefore conclude that CQ-mediated chemosensitization to therapy is an autophagy-independent event in these cells and that, when treating humans with CQ along with anti-cancer agents, one should consider the possibility that CQ may be acting through mechanisms other than by inhibition of autophagy. Our study also suggests that autophagy researchers should be careful when interpreting experiments in which CQ treatment produces, or sensitizes to, a cytotoxic effect, since the effect may be mediated by mechanisms other than its inhibition of autophagy."
Which means that there is still much to be learned about the pathways in which QC and HCQ fight cancers.
But suppressing the immune system to fight cancer solely with (H)CQ sounds like an absurd proposition, doesn't it?
Anecdotal, the Snopes thing would say: Last December, a 67-year old, triple phizerized non-smoker had a regular MRI scan due to some kidney cysts (preceding the experimental gene interventions). He was also complaining about pain in his shoulder. A month later he was told by the doctors they had seen a spot in his lungs they did not like. In February, he had another MRI scan that confirmed the findings. In March, CT scan helped establish a mere biopsy would not do the trick, and that lung surgery was needed, which was duly performed in April, A chunk of lungs (ca 3 x 4 inches in area) was removed, and histology followed. In May, the patient was told by his specialist that it was only a carcinoid, and he could forget about it all.
How´s those claims (alleged or not) of Dr. Tenpenny´s standing now?
Good for you! But 2mg IVM? FLCCC recommends about 18-24 mg daily, as of late. But Kory says HCQ is at least twice as effective as IVM and he prefers it to IVM, unless counter-indicated for other medical reasons, from his experience.
NFW yourright! A mouse coming into the mouse trap! I've read the stories about ppl trying to break out of this death trap once they clue in. The last one was a lady seeking freedom from a forced hospitalization kicked the male nurse in the crotch on her way out. The nurse, being fully jabbed, obliged with a cardiac arrest and an untimely death.
Not water - ignore the picture lol! It’s mucus and cell damage, and scar tissue. Hanging someone upside down won’t do the trick in this case, maybe to the contrary...
Oddly, I recall in the earlier days of plandemic, hospital docs flipped patients onto their stomach to ease breathing. Not sure why that works, but it's a thing.
Not questioning your personal experience, but wicked cough is a known feature of Covid, at least the early versions of it. I have my personal experience to fall back on.
Totally with you. Although there are certain schools of thought denying the existence of the virus, hell or high water, and claiming it has never been isolated, so!
But add a grain of salt: "Of the 47 patients who were repositioned, 23 continued to experience improved breathing when they were put back into a face-up position. However, those who responded positively to the technique were no less likely to require invasive ventilation as the disease progressed."
I'm honestly confused again. Your posts tend to be complex and require a lot of careful reading, maybe with more foreknowledge and training than I have. I wish you would just sum it up, in simple terms and use the complex information for support of your claim. I see there is a summation at the end, but it still doesn't help me to understand the situation. I don't know anything about the effect of S proteins introduced into the body. Can you try to reach laymen in some way that is more comprehensible. Like a section in the post: "Information the average person can actually use":
I have covered the effects of the S spike in the previous post: https://live2fightanotherday.substack.com/p/sars-cov-2-s-spike-to-centre-stage
The question I am answering for myself: "Why does the Covid disease often result in an organizing pneumonia, but the “vaccination” with the “safe and effective” SARS-CoV-2 mRNA “vaccine”, introducing much larger quantities of the S spike into the vaccinee bodies, does not?" Because if the S spike is the main culprit in the Covid disease, and many post-jab symptoms are similar to "long Covid", why not the OP? In the process I have discovered some interesting clinical facts, at least for myself. Like why the lungs get affected on the week2+ of the disease. Also, I have organized some references so that I can have them handy if need be.
The answer is in the three bullets closer to the end.
My friend’s husband passed away very recently. He had no known sickness other than severe bronchitis. Which lasted for many weeks. He was of course double jabbed. (I don’t know if he had a booster). I have not heard of anyone dying from bronchitis ( I am a layperson). Your explanation makes sense to me. Thank you.
Being double-jabbed more than 6 months ago confers no advantage, they know that very well, hence boosting to keep the appearances. And yet, still suppress safe treatments, coming up instead with the likes of remdesivir and paxlovid. At this stage, it’s a criminal cartel, not the health care. Unless you have a broken leg - run as fast and far away as you can.
Thanks Andreas. What you say is true.
I am already damaged with HepB shot years ago, so there is no chance that I will take another jab again.
Of course they did not administer high dose corticosteroids?
My friend did not say so, so most probably not. Her husband was sick for quite a long time, but nobody thought that he would pass away.
I'll have to study it, but my understanding is that COVID, at least the original bio-engineered version, is not a respiratory disease, but a disease of the blood and vascular system. As it progresses the vascular system within the lungs breaks down and the victim can no longer breath. Death results and is catalogued as respiratory failure. Early treatment is paramount in my mind. Progression has to be stopped as qucikly as is possible. Mengele Fauci and the establishment are off the rails. A visit with an average corporate mind controlled doctor is horrifying. These people can't think outside the box in anyway whatsoever. Unfortunately the box is filled with corporate media propaganda which is by in large is not only useless but dangerous.
As for these proteins, the vaccine is not an attenuated replica of a complete virus. It's some sort of microscopic factory inside the body that produces toilet seats, but not the toilets the seats are supposed to fit. There is a problem of runaway production, and suddenly there are far more seats than toilets. Worse yet the seats don't match the toilets presently being manufactured in foreign lands.
So corticosteroids should move the needle of your understanding? I love the toilet seat analogy!
You may also want to look at https://accessh.org/coronavirus_articles/sars-cov-2-spike-protein-regulates-virus-and-cell-genes/
That is thick for me too, maybe tomorrow I will have another go at it.
What if a virus isn't the causative agent of COVID infection? What if the S protein is part of the disease progression?
Then all jabbed with a _viable_ mRNA "vaccine" should be dead, I guess, as they have an order of magnitude more S spikes generated in them, and for much longer that naturally infected: https://live2fightanotherday.substack.com/p/sars-cov-2-s-spike-to-centre-stage "We see that the low end of our estimate of the number of S spikes produced after an mRNA jab is 10-30 times higher than the high end estimate of the number of S spikes produced during a natural infection."
Can you expand on your thoughts? How would S spike replicate/multiply in the infected?
I have noticed viruses get blamed for everything. In the case of many rashes, chemical poisoning is the culprit but they tend to declare “measles-like” or “insert-whatever-like” infection which automatically makes people assume the causative agent is a virus. For COVID, they hit the press early and often with the natural vs. lab debate, but was that argument meant to keep us hyper-focused on an elusive virus? Of course poisons will trigger a response from your body and, although I am no expert on this topic, I would *assume* protein production would be a part of that process. I’m not saying the causative agent is chemical (although maybe) but I do question the validity of the entire world (including secluded people in Antarctica multiple times) getting COVID simply from host-to-host transmission. Remember back in 2020 on those cruise ships there were hundreds of sick people but many passengers who were completely well quarantined with a sick roommate. How can it be the most contagious pathogen of all-time yet simultaneously bypass many people coming into contact with those who have been infected? I call BS on special immune systems, certain blood types or prior SARS exposure. Am I missing something?
I have long thought there is something else going on—some other factor at play—and THAT factor might be what is causing lung issues while injected spike/LNPs do not cause ARDS like COVID. I’m wondering if we need new hypotheses altogether. Does that make sense?
It's warm, keep circling! Dr. Yeadon also said he has to review his understanding of corona viruses in light of the info that isolating them and injecting into healthy people didn't infect any, so the trigger of the disease must be something else. And that includes flu, not only SARS variants. The Antarctica story is an interesting one too: how does one rationally explain it? Something they received and opened there? Like a jar of jam? How long can a virus survive on surfaces again, and at what temps?
https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/how-long-can-a-virus-live-outside-a-body/: "Flu viruses can survive in the air for several hours, especially at lower temperatures, and on hard surfaces they can survive and remain infectious for 24 hours." Is that so?
Cruise ships: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_on_cruise_ships
The most famous one docked in Japan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_on_Diamond_Princess
The Ruby Princess death toll (docked in Sydney Harbor) is purportedly 28, but as it is the WEF heartland, I strongly doubt anything reported from there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Princess#2020:_spread_of_COVID-19
Updated the comment above...
I think you're right about not trusting the reporting about the cruise ships. DARPA's Michael Callahan got a jump on the "outbreak" and was in China before most of the world even knew that something was going on. Apparently the first two isolates of SARS-CoV-2 came from the Chinese CDC/WIV and from a DARPA asset in Thailand. The Chinese later admitted they never isolated the virus on NBC. Who has isolated the virus since?
Then, Callahan allegedly went and separated sick and healthy passengers from the Grand Princess cruise ship. Sounds like narrative management to me!
Very sketchy beginnings for SARS-CoV-2...
https://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/07/investigative-reports/darpas-man-in-wuhan/
Would you say that the third of the three appears to be the most consequential?
I would like to get a feedback on that from experts in the field. Let’s wait for them to chip in.
I think it’s an interplay of all three. There is still plenty of inflammation after a jab (e.g. myocarditis), but not a cytokine storm in the lungs, at least not to the same extent.
After wading through all that, I have just one question: That is, please explain why the all cause death rates for each country that has or used to share them gone up for the vaccinated?
That is you can trust the ilk of slopes to tell the truth!
Cheers, Brian
It’s nice to have some studies to look at . There does seem to ge the phenomena of less severe outcomes of the jabbed, and the idea of innate immune suppression has been one hypothesis.
The first thing it tells me , is that the critics agree that the recently jabbed have less severe outcomes . So this is not so much in dispute , despite the manner in which data has been manipulated . It’s hard to get the facts in the now , so this is good to know .
The why has been the question.
Also considering the treatment has been largely suppressed or denied. So for the most part this apparent severity of natural unjabbed infection is the data sccumulation of non treated covid infection.
Still, because the phenomenon seems to occur in the first few weeks from the injection , the suppression of immunity ( known to occur in this period) seems to be a natural reason for it.
Happy your digging deeper into the other questions
I hope that I read one day soon that Snopes wife the hooker threw him down the stairs fracturing his skull and breaking his back (but not killing him) in an attempt to collect on life insurance... so that she can run off with her new pimp and blow the lot on a massive smack bender.
Does this make me a bad person?
Re-reading this post I'm mightily impressed on how much ground you cover, because there's a lot of background to understand before you even get to the theory. From the early days of COVID treatment protocols, to the vaccines, to the vaccine conspiracies, to the "debunking" of the vaccine conspiracies, then imparting your insight on how the vaccine might actually be working in the very specific case of helping fight COVID pneumonia, and finally leaving the conclusion on the tradeoff between immune system imbalance for protection against COVID pneumonia to the reader themselves.
Question/clarification on your final paragraph: isn't immune suppression itself one of the other consequences of the vaccines? Particularly with their broad side effect profile? Although it might help the body fight organizing pneumonia, if it's taken to an extreme wouldn't it possibly be responsible for some of the broad, seemingly immune disorder related side effects of the vaccines? How does it compare w/immune suppression done with say HCQ? What metrics can we look for to know when immune suppression is helping or hurting?
Hcq isn’t an immune suppressor actually, although they call it that as it helps with RA- what a way with words!
And yes, I totally concur that the immune suppression resulting from the mRNA jab is far worse than the doubtful benefits it provides as we now know, and knew at the time the jabs were pushed, that there are safe and effective treatments at all stages of Covid, and prophylaxis too But they have been suppressed so there would be no alternative to jabbing, in lemming minds.
Just in! Justin Bieber suffers facial paralysis (Ramsay Hunt Syndrome) due to the resurgence of shingles in his ear, yeah right! https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/the-cause-of-justin-biebers-facial. How old is he again, 28? Fully jabbed, of course, in order to travel. Good traveling with half face paralysed - a small price to pay, eh, Bieb?
And his 26 year old wife suddenly got a small hole in her heart that led to a "minor stroke".
How much worse would it have been had they not been fully jabbed?
Isn't is a healthy dose of karma? https://www.thesouthafrican.com/culture/entertainment/justin-bieber-justice-world-tour-south-africa-israel-vaccine-mandate/
Btw, look at Portugal now - OMG! They have totally took jabbing to heart with no reservations - keep jabbing in ever tighter cycles, getting more death per jab at every new iteration. The way it’s going everyone getting the next shot will die, it seems. And that will be in the fall.
What term would you use to classify HCQ's method of effect w/respect to immune conditions? The studies I'm viewing seem to describe it as changing the signaling of elements our immune system responds to. Is suppression vs. enhancement just too general of a way to think about these things?
It's amusing that Snopes take Tenpenny to task on the T cells, but there is obviously a lot of verbal slop and simplification when it comes to explaining medical topics in a news setting. Just in the last year the multi-use Ivermectin became "horse dewormer" and experimental gene therapy became "vaccination".
The term used when describing HCQ in cancer treatments is immunomodulation: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8267639/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29225688/
But note that https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4905171/ says this:
" Importantly, although these agents were initially tested in oncological scenarios owing to their ability to inhibit autophagy, it is now clear that their therapeutic effects involve other mechanisms. [39-41]"
39. Boya P, Gonzalez-Polo RA, Poncet D, Andreau K, Vieira HL, Roumier T, Perfettini JL, Kroemer G. . Mitochondrial membrane permeabilization is a critical step of lysosome-initiated apoptosis induced by hydroxychloroquine. Oncogene 2003; 22:3927 - 36; http://dx.doi.org/ 10.1038/sj.onc.1206622; PMID: 12813466 [PubMed] [CrossRef] [Google Scholar]
40. Maycotte P, Aryal S, Cummings CT, Thorburn J, Morgan MJ, Thorburn A. . Chloroquine sensitizes breast cancer cells to chemotherapy independent of autophagy. Autophagy 2012; 8:200 - 12; http://dx.doi.org/ 10.4161/auto.8.2.18554; PMID: 22252008 [PMC free article] [PubMed] [CrossRef] [Google Scholar]
41. Rubinsztein DC, Codogno P, Levine B. . Autophagy modulation as a potential therapeutic target for diverse diseases. Nat Rev Drug Discov 2012; 11:709 - 30; http://dx.doi.org/ 10.1038/nrd3802; PMID: 22935804 [PMC free article] [PubMed] [CrossRef] [Google Scholar]
Esp. [40] says: " Moreover, CQ could still sensitize to treatment even when autophagy was blocked upstream of autophagosome formation. We therefore conclude that CQ-mediated chemosensitization to therapy is an autophagy-independent event in these cells and that, when treating humans with CQ along with anti-cancer agents, one should consider the possibility that CQ may be acting through mechanisms other than by inhibition of autophagy. Our study also suggests that autophagy researchers should be careful when interpreting experiments in which CQ treatment produces, or sensitizes to, a cytotoxic effect, since the effect may be mediated by mechanisms other than its inhibition of autophagy."
Which means that there is still much to be learned about the pathways in which QC and HCQ fight cancers.
But suppressing the immune system to fight cancer solely with (H)CQ sounds like an absurd proposition, doesn't it?
Anecdotal, the Snopes thing would say: Last December, a 67-year old, triple phizerized non-smoker had a regular MRI scan due to some kidney cysts (preceding the experimental gene interventions). He was also complaining about pain in his shoulder. A month later he was told by the doctors they had seen a spot in his lungs they did not like. In February, he had another MRI scan that confirmed the findings. In March, CT scan helped establish a mere biopsy would not do the trick, and that lung surgery was needed, which was duly performed in April, A chunk of lungs (ca 3 x 4 inches in area) was removed, and histology followed. In May, the patient was told by his specialist that it was only a carcinoid, and he could forget about it all.
How´s those claims (alleged or not) of Dr. Tenpenny´s standing now?
One swallow does not make a spring?
Once it starts chirping, other swallows might join in?
How bout that time ragnar _forseti got newsmobile (fact checkers from Cyber City, India) & Facebook to remove an erroneous check from Bergeron News
https://ragnarforseti.substack.com/p/is-this-the-most-ridiculous-fact?s=w
Good for you! But 2mg IVM? FLCCC recommends about 18-24 mg daily, as of late. But Kory says HCQ is at least twice as effective as IVM and he prefers it to IVM, unless counter-indicated for other medical reasons, from his experience.
NFW yourright! A mouse coming into the mouse trap! I've read the stories about ppl trying to break out of this death trap once they clue in. The last one was a lady seeking freedom from a forced hospitalization kicked the male nurse in the crotch on her way out. The nurse, being fully jabbed, obliged with a cardiac arrest and an untimely death.
Not water - ignore the picture lol! It’s mucus and cell damage, and scar tissue. Hanging someone upside down won’t do the trick in this case, maybe to the contrary...
Oddly, I recall in the earlier days of plandemic, hospital docs flipped patients onto their stomach to ease breathing. Not sure why that works, but it's a thing.
Not questioning your personal experience, but wicked cough is a known feature of Covid, at least the early versions of it. I have my personal experience to fall back on.
Totally with you. Although there are certain schools of thought denying the existence of the virus, hell or high water, and claiming it has never been isolated, so!
What do I know! https://people.com/health/putting-coronavirus-patients-on-their-stomachs-helps-them-breathe/
Also here: https://www.newsweek.com/laying-covid-19-patients-their-stomachs-shown-help-them-breathe-1513260
But add a grain of salt: "Of the 47 patients who were repositioned, 23 continued to experience improved breathing when they were put back into a face-up position. However, those who responded positively to the technique were no less likely to require invasive ventilation as the disease progressed."
Helps some, but for a short while until...